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Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage
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Auteur:  weedboo [ 16 Oct 2017, 19:13 ]
Sujet du message:  Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Bonjours a tous , je vous présente mon problème
Fabia 1.9 tdi 130 , ASZ , 17/22 , capteur 4 bar , echangeur .

Quand j'arrive a 4000 tours , la pression du turbo retombe a 0 et plus de puissance , je lâche l'accelerateur ra puis dessus et sa repart normalement , ou je peut passer ma vitesse est sa repart .

Deja changer le turbo , le mapeur , test avec debimetre debrancher , même problème , verifier tout les serrages des collier et durite ok .

Quand le turbo coupe sa fais un gros pshiit comme si je de manchoner

Une idée ? je me penche sur le boitier électrovanne ! Merci a ceux qui pourait m'orienter ou rencontrer le même problème .

Auteur:  Boubou [ 17 Oct 2017, 21:55 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Et les logs ?

Auteur:  weedboo [ 21 Oct 2017, 17:11 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Salut j'ai reussi a faire un seul log avec la coupure , j'ai changer depuis la n75 , le debimetre est off dans la carto d'apres mon mappeur.
En piece jointe les log lors de la coupure .
Merci ;)

Auteur:  weedboo [ 21 Oct 2017, 17:14 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Monday,16,October,2017,11:43:24:62939,VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 (x64),Data version: 20130910
038 906 019 NF,,1.9l R4 EDC G000SG 5839,

,Group A:,'011,,,,Group B:, Not Running,,,,Group C:, Not Running
,,Engine speed,Spec. intake press.,Actual intake press.,D.cycle MAP,,,,,,,,,,
,TIME,2850-3150,2200-2400,2100-2600,35-80%,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,
Marker,STAMP, /min,,, %,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,,
,0.00,1617,1264.0,1168.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,0.34,1680,1280.0,1184.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,0.70,1743,1296.0,1216.0,25.1,,,,,,,,,,
,1.03,1806,1312.0,1232.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,1.38,1869,1360.0,1264.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,1.71,1974,1488.0,1296.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,2.03,2058,1600.0,1360.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,2.35,2163,1376.0,1440.0,26.3,,,,,,,,,,
,2.66,1827,992.0,1360.0,27.1,,,,,,,,,,
,2.97,1512,1184.0,1248.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,3.29,1722,1520.0,1216.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,3.61,1491,1616.0,1248.0,22.7,,,,,,,,,,
,3.95,1533,1920.0,1264.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,4.29,1617,2064.0,1312.0,25.1,,,,,,,,,,
,4.64,1680,2128.0,1360.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,4.98,1764,2192.0,1424.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,5.32,1848,2304.0,1520.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,5.66,1953,2416.0,1616.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,6.00,2037,2528.0,1728.0,25.1,,,,,,,,,,
,6.34,2163,2608.0,1872.0,27.9,,,,,,,,,,
,6.69,2289,2720.0,2016.0,27.5,,,,,,,,,,
,7.05,2457,2848.0,2224.0,29.1,,,,,,,,,,
,7.39,2646,2976.0,2512.0,31.5,,,,,,,,,,
,7.73,2919,3136.0,2944.0,43.4,,,,,,,,,,
,8.08,2961,3152.0,2992.0,39.0,,,,,,,,,,
,8.42,3150,3200.0,2992.0,37.9,,,,,,,,,,
,8.78,3402,3200.0,3248.0,48.6,,,,,,,,,,
,9.12,3549,3200.0,3136.0,42.6,,,,,,,,,,
,9.47,3402,1072.0,3104.0,94.4,,,,,,,,,,
,9.81,3360,1056.0,1952.0,33.5,,,,,,,,,,
,10.15,3213,1056.0,1520.0,33.1,,,,,,,,,,
,10.50,3066,1056.0,1392.0,32.3,,,,,,,,,,
,10.84,2898,1040.0,1296.0,31.1,,,,,,,,,,
,11.20,2730,1024.0,1248.0,30.7,,,,,,,,,,
,11.54,2541,1008.0,1200.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,11.90,2415,1008.0,1184.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,12.25,2247,1008.0,1168.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,12.60,2121,992.0,1152.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,12.95,2037,992.0,1120.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,13.31,1575,992.0,1120.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,13.65,1155,992.0,1104.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.01,840,1072.0,1088.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.35,882,1056.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.69,882,1056.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.02,882,1056.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.35,882,1056.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.67,903,1056.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.99,882,1056.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.30,882,1056.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.61,882,1056.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.93,1092,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.25,1281,1056.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.58,1344,1152.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.90,1407,1360.0,1056.0,20.3,,,,,,,,,,
,18.24,1491,1552.0,1088.0,24.3,,,,,,,,,,
,18.59,1659,1664.0,1152.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,18.93,1827,1792.0,1232.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,19.27,1974,1360.0,1328.0,27.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.62,1974,992.0,1296.0,29.1,,,,,,,,,,
,19.96,1995,992.0,1200.0,29.5,,,,,,,,,,
,20.31,1953,992.0,1152.0,28.7,,,,,,,,,,
Monday,16,October,2017,13:25:37:62939,VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 (x64),Data version: 20130910
038 906 019 NF,,1.9l R4 EDC G000SG 5839,

,Group A:,'011,,,,Group B:, Not Running,,,,Group C:, Not Running
,,Engine speed,Spec. intake press.,Actual intake press.,D.cycle MAP,,,,,,,,,,
,TIME,2850-3150,2200-2400,2100-2600,35-80%,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,
Marker,STAMP, /min,,, %,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,,
,0.00,1365,1312.0,1104.0,21.1,,,,,,,,,,
,0.35,1470,1408.0,1120.0,23.9,,,,,,,,,,
,0.69,1617,1440.0,1152.0,25.1,,,,,,,,,,
,1.05,1764,1472.0,1200.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,1.39,1911,1824.0,1248.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,1.75,2079,2464.0,1376.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,2.09,2289,2720.0,1568.0,25.9,,,,,,,,,,
,2.43,2541,2912.0,1808.0,27.9,,,,,,,,,,
,2.79,2961,3152.0,2256.0,29.1,,,,,,,,,,
,3.14,3612,3200.0,2864.0,47.0,,,,,,,,,,
,3.48,4053,3184.0,3088.0,49.8,,,,,,,,,,
,3.82,4284,3136.0,3072.0,53.0,,,,,,,,,,
,4.17,4515,3104.0,3088.0,56.2,,,,,,,,,,
,4.51,4200,1120.0,1776.0,40.2,,,,,,,,,,
,4.87,3822,3200.0,1808.0,30.7,,,,,,,,,,
,5.21,2982,3168.0,2464.0,38.3,,,,,,,,,,
,5.57,3213,3200.0,2960.0,43.8,,,,,,,,,,
,5.91,3402,3200.0,3296.0,53.4,,,,,,,,,,
,6.27,3612,3200.0,3312.0,54.2,,,,,,,,,,
,6.62,3738,3200.0,3232.0,52.2,,,,,,,,,,
,6.97,3927,3200.0,3152.0,51.4,,,,,,,,,,
,7.31,4095,3184.0,3152.0,53.8,,,,,,,,,,
,7.65,4263,3152.0,3136.0,55.0,,,,,,,,,,
,7.98,4326,3136.0,1824.0,40.2,,,,,,,,,,
,8.31,3717,1072.0,1664.0,33.1,,,,,,,,,,
,8.63,3381,3200.0,1760.0,36.7,,,,,,,,,,
,8.95,3276,3200.0,2288.0,35.1,,,,,,,,,,
,9.26,3318,3200.0,2816.0,41.8,,,,,,,,,,
,9.58,3402,3200.0,3088.0,46.2,,,,,,,,,,
,9.89,3549,3200.0,3200.0,49.4,,,,,,,,,,
,10.21,3612,3200.0,3296.0,53.4,,,,,,,,,,
,10.55,3654,3200.0,3280.0,53.4,,,,,,,,,,
,10.89,3738,3200.0,3200.0,51.8,,,,,,,,,,
,11.24,3822,3200.0,3136.0,49.8,,,,,,,,,,
,11.58,3864,3200.0,2752.0,45.4,,,,,,,,,,
,11.91,3906,3200.0,1744.0,33.5,,,,,,,,,,
,12.26,3255,1056.0,1792.0,33.5,,,,,,,,,,
,12.60,2667,1024.0,1488.0,31.1,,,,,,,,,,
,12.95,2142,992.0,1312.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,13.29,1680,992.0,1216.0,25.5,,,,,,,,,,
,13.63,1260,992.0,1152.0,20.3,,,,,,,,,,
,13.98,924,1072.0,1104.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.34,882,1088.0,1072.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.68,882,1088.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.04,882,1088.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.38,882,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.74,903,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.08,903,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.44,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.79,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.14,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.49,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.85,924,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,18.19,924,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,18.55,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,18.91,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.25,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.59,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.95,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,20.30,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,20.64,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,20.98,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,21.33,903,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
Monday,16,October,2017,13:27:33:62939,VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 (x64),Data version: 20130910
038 906 019 NF,,1.9l R4 EDC G000SG 5839,

,Group A:,'011,,,,Group B:, Not Running,,,,Group C:, Not Running
,,Engine speed,Spec. intake press.,Actual intake press.,D.cycle MAP,,,,,,,,,,
,TIME,2850-3150,2200-2400,2100-2600,35-80%,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,
Marker,STAMP, /min,,, %,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,,
,0.00,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,0.34,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,0.68,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,1.03,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,1.37,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,1.72,1029,1120.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,2.06,1218,1120.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,2.41,1134,1152.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,2.75,1218,1184.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,3.10,1176,1216.0,1072.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,3.44,1092,1248.0,1088.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,3.78,1449,1424.0,1088.0,22.3,,,,,,,,,,
,4.13,1869,1936.0,1152.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,4.48,2310,2544.0,1312.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,4.83,2331,1008.0,1424.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,5.17,1932,1536.0,1264.0,29.1,,,,,,,,,,
,5.52,1596,2000.0,1312.0,25.5,,,,,,,,,,
,5.87,1827,2256.0,1360.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,6.22,2016,2496.0,1456.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,6.58,2247,2688.0,1600.0,25.9,,,,,,,,,,
,6.92,2541,2896.0,1840.0,29.1,,,,,,,,,,
,7.28,3066,3200.0,2288.0,31.5,,,,,,,,,,
,7.62,3549,3200.0,2896.0,44.2,,,,,,,,,,
,7.98,4158,3168.0,3264.0,57.8,,,,,,,,,,
,8.32,4137,1184.0,3040.0,60.6,,,,,,,,,,
,8.68,3759,1072.0,2144.0,33.5,,,,,,,,,,
,9.03,3360,1056.0,1648.0,33.9,,,,,,,,,,
,9.38,2877,1040.0,1440.0,31.5,,,,,,,,,,
,9.73,2373,1008.0,1312.0,29.9,,,,,,,,,,
,10.09,1827,992.0,1232.0,26.7,,,,,,,,,,
,10.43,1344,992.0,1168.0,21.5,,,,,,,,,,
,10.78,924,1072.0,1120.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,11.13,882,1088.0,1088.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,11.46,882,1088.0,1072.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,11.80,882,1088.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,12.14,924,1072.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,12.46,903,1072.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,12.78,882,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,13.09,882,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,13.40,1050,1104.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,13.71,945,1152.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.04,945,1200.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.37,1008,1168.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,14.70,1071,1152.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.03,1071,1152.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.36,1113,1136.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,15.71,1197,1136.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.05,1260,1136.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,16.40,1365,1152.0,1056.0,21.5,,,,,,,,,,
,16.74,1428,1152.0,1072.0,22.7,,,,,,,,,,
,17.09,1470,1152.0,1088.0,23.5,,,,,,,,,,
,17.43,1386,1040.0,1088.0,21.9,,,,,,,,,,
,17.77,1575,1200.0,1088.0,24.7,,,,,,,,,,
,18.12,1344,992.0,1088.0,23.1,,,,,,,,,,
,18.46,945,1072.0,1088.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,18.81,924,1072.0,1072.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.15,903,1072.0,1056.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.49,903,1072.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,19.84,903,1072.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,20.19,882,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,20.54,882,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,20.90,882,1088.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,21.24,924,1072.0,1040.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,21.60,924,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,21.94,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,22.30,882,1088.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,22.64,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,23.00,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,23.35,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,23.71,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,24.06,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,24.41,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,24.75,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,25.11,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,25.45,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,25.81,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,
,26.15,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9,,,,,,,,,,

Auteur:  Math 640 [ 21 Oct 2017, 20:38 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

je pense que ton turbo prends trop pression et coupe par sécu. cela arrivent quand la géométrie variable déconne.

Auteur:  Boubou [ 21 Oct 2017, 21:19 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Tu as accès à ton fichier Reprog ?

Auteur:  weedboo [ 22 Oct 2017, 00:51 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Math 640 a écrit:
je pense que ton turbo prends trop pression et coupe par sécu. cela arrivent quand la géométrie variable déconne.

Le turbo a 6000km , j'avais le même symptôme avec un 17/22 qui etait neuf

Boubou a écrit:
Tu as accès à ton fichier Reprog ?

Oui

Auteur:  Boubou [ 22 Oct 2017, 09:08 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Envoie le moi par mail, car sur les logs rien n'explique la coupure....

julienlagarde93@gmail.com

Auteur:  weedboo [ 25 Oct 2017, 18:46 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Boubou a écrit:
Envoie le moi par mail, car sur les logs rien n'explique la coupure....

julienlagarde93@gmail.com


La carto n'est pas en cause , la linearisation du capteur map a bien etait faite .
J'ai reussi a faire des log avec le coupure .

Monday,23,October,2017,17:32:55:62939,VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 (x64),Data version: 20130910
038 906 019 NF,,1.9l R4 EDC G000SG 5839,

,Group A:,'004,,,,Group B:,'008,,,,Group C:,'011
,,Engine speed,Spec start of inj.,Spec inj. duration,Synchro. angle,,Engine speed,IQ driver's req,IQ via rpm(Torq),IQ via MAF,,Engine speed,Spec. intake press.,Actual intake press.,D.cycle MAP
,TIME,790-870,4BTDC-2ATDC,3-8 °Ck.,-3..+3°Ck.,TIME,2850-3150,65-70,47-51,47-60,TIME,2850-3150,2200-2400,2100-2600,35-80%
Marker,STAMP, /min, °BTDC,°KW,°KW,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str,STAMP, /min,,, %
,0.34,1470,1.2,0.0,-1.7,0.66,1449,0.0,50.8,36.2,0.00,1491,992.0,1056.0,24.3
,1.34,1428,0.9,0.0,-1.7,1.68,1407,0.0,48.6,36.0,1.00,1428,992.0,1056.0,23.1
,2.36,1260,0.3,0.0,-1.7,2.71,819,0.0,30.5,35.1,2.01,1386,992.0,1040.0,21.9
,3.42,861,-1.2,6.6,-1.1,3.78,861,0.0,30.5,34.3,3.06,840,1088.0,1040.0,19.9
,4.50,903,-1.2,6.1,-1.1,4.86,903,0.0,30.5,34.0,4.15,882,1072.0,1024.0,19.9
,5.57,903,-1.2,6.1,-1.1,5.92,903,0.0,30.5,34.3,5.22,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9
,6.64,903,-1.2,6.1,-1.1,7.01,903,0.0,30.5,34.3,6.28,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9
,7.72,903,-1.2,6.1,-1.1,8.08,882,0.0,30.5,34.3,7.37,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9
,8.80,903,-1.2,6.1,-1.1,9.16,903,0.0,30.5,34.3,8.44,903,1072.0,1024.0,19.9
,9.88,924,-1.2,5.6,-1.1,10.24,924,0.0,30.5,34.0,9.52,924,1056.0,1024.0,19.9
,10.96,924,-1.2,5.6,-1.1,11.32,924,0.0,30.5,34.0,10.60,924,1056.0,1024.0,19.9
,12.02,924,-1.2,5.6,-1.1,12.38,945,0.0,30.5,34.0,11.68,924,1056.0,1024.0,19.9
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Auteur:  weedboo [ 14 Nov 2017, 22:10 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Petit up avec les derniere log , avec uniquement les coupures ! merci

Auteur:  weedboo [ 27 Aoû 2018, 17:55 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: Coupure turbo arriver a 4000 t/min sans redemarage

Gros up , toujours ce problème aléatoire des idées ? N75 , Pompe tandem changer par du neuf , sural ok , toute les depression pareil pas de fuite !
Tester avec un autre calculateur immo off avec la gestion pareil .
Tester avec 3 mapeur différent !
Merci a tous de votre aide !

Edit : aucun defaut au diag !

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